Welcome to the forth episode of Hankikanto: Falling into the Anti/Natal Abyss! In this episode, Extinctionist Antinatalist philosophy, Matti Häyry speaks with Transhumanist philosopher, David Pearce, to discuss if antinatalists should move towards a bio-engineered future, or an extinctionist one. This conversation was inspired by recent lectures by both David & Matti, at the Antinatalist Advocacy Conference 2023! If you would like to see the recordings of the event, please follow the links below!: Day 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFU9Cu48WNM&t=5s Day 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxcR1pLFPFU&t=6945s